Saturday, 19 October 2013

PERU - 'THE LAND OF THE RISING SUN' - SAYS THE RAMAYANA

In Chapter 40 of the Kishkinda Kand of the epic Ramayana, the author Sage Valmiki states that the Udaya Adri (उदय अद्रि) ('Udaya' means 'Sunrise' and 'Aadri' means 'Mountain') can be located after crossing many oceans when travelling east of India. In Chapter 40 the 'vanaras' travelling east of India are directed to reach Udaya Mountain - they were to cross Yava (Java), Golden & Silver Islands (Sumatra, Bali etc.), Mt. Shishira, River Shona, Plaksha Island, Ikshu Island, the 'furious' Ikshu Samudra, and then passing the 'disastrous' Lohita Ocean would bring them to Shalmali Dvipa. Shalmali Dvipa has been identified by researchers as the Australian land mass. 

Further they would pass the ocean which has milky waters, Mt. Rishaba and Lake Sudarshana. This seems to be a reference to the mountains and islands around New Zealand.


This is the path that Sugreeva chalks out for the 'vanaras' headed east of India in search of Goddess Sita. Refer to Kishkinda Kand Chapter 40 of the Ramayana.
Further on, the 'vanaras' are told, that they would come across the so called mighty 'Soft Ocean' (Jala Sagaram) whose waves are quite often ferocious. Then Valmiki says the 'vanaras' would pass the 'fantastically refulgent fire resembling the face of a horse' (Verse 4-48). This for sure is a reference to what is today called the 'Pacific Ring of Fire' .

The area encircling the Pacific Ocean is called the 'Ring of Fire,' because its edges mark a circle of high volcanic and seismic activity (earthquakes). Most of the active volcanoes on Earth are located on this circumference.


'The Pacific Ring of Fire' is described in
 Chapter 40, Verse 48 of the Valmiki Ramayana

Once the mighty 'Soft Water Ocean' (which has been identified as the Pacific) has been crossed the 'vanaras' would then reach the Udaya Mountains where they will see Jaat-Shila-Rupa (which translates as Golden Rock Peak), etched on which is a 'golden pylon resembling a palm tree with three branches with a golden podium'. 

Sugreev continues, "That pylon of palm tree is constructed as the easterly compass by celestial gods beyond which lies the Udaya Adri." (Verse 4-52). The Udaya Adri mountains are the Andes of South America. And in the Andes range of Peru is the 'Shining or Golden Trident'. Today it is known as the 'Paracas Trident'. It shines to this day and is visible from the skies.

The 'Shining Trident' beyond which lies the
'Udaya Adri' (Sunrise Mountain) is described in
Chapter 40 Verse 53 of Valmiki Ramayana.
According to the Ramayana, day breaks on earth in the Udaya Adri. In today's world we are conditioned to think that sun rises first in Japan. But the fact is that at every geographical point of land in the world, darkness will fade away and day will break at a certain point of time every day. 

So why did the Ramayana choose the Andes as the point of sunrise, or in other words, why was day-break in Peru over the Andean Mountains chosen as the first ray of sun for the entire earth. Why not India, Japan, or any other place?

Chapter 40 Verse 57 of the Kishkinda Kand gives the reason. It says that when Lord Vishnu first 'invaded' the earth he strode across the earth in three giant steps. "He placed the first step in 'Mt. Saumanasa' which lies in the 'Udaya Adri'." (Chapter 40-58 f Kishkinda Kanda). That point became the point of Sunrise. Where he put his last step was called Mt. Asta (Sunset Mountain). More about Mt. Asta here.. India lies at the middle of Mt. Udaya and Mt. Asta. 


Peru is therefore the land of the rising sun according to the Ramayana. What lay beyond Mt. Udaya Adri and Saumanasa, Valmiki wrote that he knew nothing except that it was there that the celestials frequent. 

Research indicates that Lord Vishnu was revered as Lord Viracocha in ancient America. He carried a 'thunderbolt' in his hand. Interestingly, the word 'Adri' in Sanskrit not only means 'mountain' or 'rock', it also means 'thunderbolt'. Is the word Andes a distortion of the word 'Adri', a reference to Viracocha's 'thunderbolt'. Perhaps our friends in Peru can shed some light.

Is there a temple dedicated to Vishnu's footprint (Vishnu Padam Temple) or Viracocha's footprint in Peru? Are there any similarities to the Vishnu Padam Temples of India and Viracocha's Temples in Peru? Yes, there are. But more about that in a later post.

25 comments:

अर्यमन चेतस पाण्डेय said...

good to know this..informative.. :)

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

namaste sister neeta ...

so, some times (u can see in websites) they call that big temple 2 km from cuzco 'saksay waman' and another times as u told huaman .. so we dont know why and how quechua and inca language pronounce the words, this is one of the dificulty, to find out deep things it would be necessary to contact some inca leader to help, seems that u r from aryan indian family so you can help with sanscrit, i know sanscrit also but not very much .. but may be i can help ... so my thinking is that its very unproveble that Viracocha is Virochan, it would be a shame to inca people, in Puranas we learn that Virochan is Prahlad Maharaji son, and he was demon, not devotee, divine or anything, we learn that Prahladji tried every thing to make his son devotee but he always refused and grew up with demoniac mentality, so how a demon could be seem as God by the advanced civilization of inca people? i think they were not so fool ... so for me this (wich is most writen in books) is impossible!

we dont have any direct proove that Viracocha is wamandev also ... it requer more information, but the conection is that When speaking about the trident (wich is the few citations that is very clear) Valmiki says that "There Vishnu (Wamandev) put his feet to covber the earth with his first step" we know in Bhagavat wamandev cover the earth with first step, all jagad with second etc..) .. so, seems that waman put his feet there near Bolivia and Peru (if its really true, translation etc..) ... so when i saw one bag my mother brought from Machu picchu, Viracocha have a very small legs, like a dwarf, wamandev also is dwarf, in that bag have a water pot, waman also carry this and one stick, with a umbrella that seems to be a sun, the umbrella was so big tht bali could not see waman when he apeared in homa arena. Also in Brihad Bhagavatamrta, Sanatana Goswamipad says that in Swarg-lok, Indra and others devas worship Vishnu in the form of Wamandev also known as Upendra ..... so Wamandev is the ista-deva of Indra who is direct conected with Inca people as the sun is .... i dont know but the name Ikswaku is also similar to tihuanaco ... so if we start to look after these things may be we go to another direction and discover new things that was never imagined before

another thing is vey clear is about the fire near peru, i have one arte fact from there show a horse face with real horse hair and teeth i send the photo and some information to one website about this here the link ...after i send more informations i found ok? thank you http://booksfact.com/mysteries/puerta-de-hayu-marca-doorway-hayagreeva-vishnu-purana.html

i think there a lot of misunderstanding about these topics, because of the dificulty of translating vedic sastras, because of a lack of knowledge of the books writers about this etc.... after you can try to see the conection between the inca words and sanscrit words .. Viracocha, Tihuanaco, Ikswaku, Inca, Inti - surya ... etc... Meru _ameru etc.. namaste


(i tried to reply by email, but some problem ....

Neeta Raina said...

The idea is not to offend the Incas. It definitely was a great culture. Even in the Ramayana, the author Valmiki states that beyond the Adri Mountains (Andes) lies a land where the 'celestials' frequent. It doesnt call them demons. The Ramayana, in fact, mentions many great races around the world.

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

i know it was not the intention .... if some proove no problem here was demon area .. vedas refer to south america as Patala, Patala is also name given to underworld and hellish planets ... iam from south america and i have no problem with this ... the Virochan teory seems to be impossible because incas speak about one divinity, very learned and teached good things .. and Virochan was a demon as stated in Puranas .. Virochan could not understand the atma-tattva-vidya given by Brahma, so he could not know anything about any topic, he was demoniac person and ilsusioned demon .. so for me (its only my opinion) to say that Viracocha is Virochan is absurd ... but any way ....

iam from brazil, one tribe tupi-guarani here is called Ramarama , before ths materialistic demoniac portuguese came, Brasil was called by the native tupi-guarani "Pindo Rama" .. we know Rama and lakshamana was brought here by magic by Mahiravana who lived here ... native indian people from amazon print their body red just as Hanuman, there also have a village called hanuman .... u have another email? have some problem in that yahoo, so i can send more photos, videos etc.. thank you namaste

Neeta Raina said...

1. Is it true that there is a festival by the name Rama-Sita in Peru or other parts of Latin America?
2. As for 'Patala', I believe that the Goddess Sita was from "patala' (Latin America). She is supposed to have been born from the soil of the earth. At the end of her worldly journey it is said, that she returns to Patala or to 'mother earth'. I believe she was from the Pre-Incan or Incan civilization and she returns to her home at the end of the Ramayana saga.
3. There are many words in Guarani that are too close to Sanskrit for being their by chance. KoriKanchan- the word Kanchan is Sanskrit - it means gold.
4. I believe there were a few cultures that pervaded the entire world. I see the teachings of those cultures in India and Latin.
America.
5. It is heart warming that our ancestors too were all linked by the same set of people, and the fact that they were advanced and therefore truly our 'guru'.
6. I did not know about Ramarama and Pindo Rama' or Hanuman in Latin America.
7. Please send pictures on neetaraina@gmail.com or neetaraina@yahoo.com
8. Thank you and Haribol. Namaste.

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

about gold, brazil is the place where msot acount of gold was finded ... in sastras also say that in Vitala planet Shivji and Bhavani produce gold by their union ... there are many similarities between south america and underworld-patala planets so may be thats why South America is the underground world represented in the earth, as kailas, Vraja and others higher planets are represented in india .. here is just oposite ...

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

have many reazns to be believe that inca people have conection with the sun, may be really surya palace is there in peru, the last place surya goes is peru as we see in globe ... (sometimes they say first but i believe the last) .. Inca in sanscrit i think also ink, means surya .. Ikswaku is the father of solar dinasty ... Aand Rama also came in this dinasty ... here in brazil many people say there was a Rama temple founded in Rio de Janeiro and rama deity in the city of mato Grosso state .. i dont know if its true but seems to be as makardwaj-hanuman son rulled here for some time and his ista-dev was rama-Sita

Neeta Raina said...

The Ramayana says The sun first becomes visible in 'Udaya Adri' in Peru, the sun rays then travel to jambhoodvipa only to set in Asta Mountain (in the Middle East).

It then travels North to Meru (NorthPole ) only to rise once again in Udaya Adri Peru. (Asta =Sunset, Udaya = Sunrise).

So the cycle begins where it starts - somewhere in the Andes! (Udaya Adri). I guess one way of looking at it is that it sets in Peru. And then the next cycle also begins from the same place where it sets.

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

ha .. yes .. think same the second option .... if sun rises in peru first we in south america would be 9 hours in front of india, but its just opsoite, when in india its 6 am, here is 10 pm .. so seems that the last place the sun shines is here and from here he start to shine to east ... also we see in ramayana after sun complete his journey he rest some times in his palace .. so as in Lake Titicaca they say same history, that sun stay there for some time and he start to shine from there .. here the two histoires are same ... but many up to know have concluded just oposite (that sun shine first in peru) what i think is impossiblem, what you think?? also i saw in ramayana, in one verse he speak about ocean of milk, a lake Sudarsna, how after going to salt ocean he again speak about the same lake sudarsna? i can not understand, seems to be some error of translation or understanding, whats your opinion? namaste

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

whats is your evidence that Udaya Mountain is in Peru?? thanks

Neeta Raina said...

'Sudarshana' means 'beautiful'. su=good, darshan=view. Any beautiful lake, mountain or island can be described as 'sudarshana', it just means 'beautiful'. But 'Sudarshan' can also be a name - for a place or a person.

Neeta Raina said...

The major one is the description of the Paracas Trident in Udaya Adri mentioned in Kishkinda Kand , Verse 40-53. If you read English translations of various writers and put all the information together, there will be no doubt left.
Notice also the mention of the great souled Ananta in the same verse. Vishnu resting on the great Ananta (a serpent) in Patala, is really Vishnu resting on the tip of Latin America - which probably just means that he visited there too.

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

Yes, i think the only concret truth we have is the trident, in That slokas itãs saíd about gateway o heaven, in Peru Also they say same Thing, amaru meru, the gate way to heaven ... Só seems that that part valmiki is speaking about Peru Bolívia ... I think who went there just to visit was wamandev first step to cover the earth, itãs saíd in bhagavatam that ananta sés lies in Patala to hold all universal egg, só for me it means that This same placês represented in the earth as replica of that Patala is there ... Male senso? Thanks

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

It is really ananta is there, shivji Also is in kailas, krsna Also is in vraj, aand vishnu in himalaya badrinath, But our eyes can not see any Thing spiritual, But if This placê is really in Peru, sure ananta SESI is there, But we can not see ....

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

In This context vishnu is not with This manifestaof This ananta ... SES stays in Patala Alone just to susten the universo, i have the praman, if u want i send by email ......

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

I think shamaldwipai is another dwip, outside jambudvipa, But in This translation he says is in Austrália? What u think ... For me impossible ... Namaste

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

There are seven dwipas, we are in the centerr jambudvipa only, u have sastric praman that shamali dwip is in jambudvipa?

Neeta Raina said...

1SHALMALI DWIPA:
1. It is difficult to understand Puranic stories because there are so many versions. You have a deep knowledge of the Puranic stories. I have tried to read them but I find them hard to follow.

As per the Ramayana Shalmali Dwipa is on the east of India and has been identified as Australia. Are you of the view that the entire world is Jambhudwipa and the seven dwipas are in different dimensions?

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

yes, bhagavat says Shalmali dwip is in another eartly planetary sistem, so translation and conclusion must be wrong in this english version ...

Neeta Raina said...

Possible. Because in Book 1, when the ashwamedha yagya and later birth of Rama and his brothers are described, it seems that the genetic material for their birth is brought in from another planet.

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

sure Rama is not ordinary man and Ramayana is not mithology as many describe .. he is made of sac-cid-ananda elements wich is transcendental from aprakrta ayodhya-dham ...

Neeta Raina said...

Your knowledge is amazing!

Baladeva Das Brahmachari said...

oh, iam a parrot, repeating the perfect words of the divine sages. all credit to them ... in this case .. especially to Valmiki who was a robber stealing everyone jewells and values in the forest and by the mercy of Sri Narad Rsi and the mantra Narad gave him 'mara maramarama' he became famous in all 3 worlds as Valmiki the great author of Sri Rama lila in this earth ..... amazing is why if even Valmiki could become such a great sage by chant rama´s name why all the fallen souls of this world dont adopt this same process of self or god realization?? as per Yudhistira Raj its the most amazing thing :) happy new year to all ... neeta ji ... namaste

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Unknown said...

So informativ...thanks to all